 Good advice, but watch the perspective |
| Reviewer: Jo-Be-Se, |
This book is full of some very good advice. The ideas of eliciting values, neg hits, social proof, and (most especially) not paying for a woman's attention are very powerful and real. They do help you build a connection and gain status, they are also applicable in situations outside of dating if you know how to handle yourself. It is for this reason that the book receives four stars.
This book also has an element that makes it very controversial for some. It was written by a guy who hopes to help other guys get laid, period. The author's goal is to teach you how to get into a woman's pants. That does NOT have to be YOUR goal in order for you to benefit from it. Those who say that the book is chauvanist are right, and those who say it teaches men to pick up on women in all the wrong ways are focusing on some of the more controversial, and in my opinion crazy, theories presented (such as "GM style" ignore it).
One reviewer mentioned, and with some disgust, that the book advocates a man not buying a drink for a woman unless she "pays" for it with a kiss on the spot, among others. Again, this goes back to social proof, status, and whether or not you're paying for people's time. It also goes back to self-respect, you just met a woman and you're buying her a drink? You better owe her.
One does not have to demand sex from women, or be as chauvanistic as this author, in order to benefit from the technology involved. Trust me, I know. I was an AFC, I then went on to dating six girls at once and found it to be an emotional, psychological, and physical drain not worth the time the emptiness gave me. I did, however, use the techniques in this book to land the love of my life and have since been in a relationship for 1.5years. This book is social dynamics 110: how to handle a dating scenario from the man's perspective. Great book, shady perspective, buy it anyway and apply the techniques in the manner that is most congruent with your personality and demeanor. |
Useful, but rather depressing
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| Reviewer: Bruno, |
The pickup artist has come of age. No longer relying on a hairy chest and a medallion to seduce the opposite sex, a thriving community has appeared on the net, exchanging the latest psychological tips and tricks that lead to a woman's bed. But these people aren't geeks. When it comes to seducing women, they are the real deal, only granting grandmaster pick up status to acolytes after the 1,000th babe has been laid.
And here lies the depressing fact about this book and the inevitable controversy that it has aroused (Germaine Greer having claimed that such men are rapists - seems like some feminists don't want to abandon notions of 'sexual ownership', 'faithfulness', 'duties'.etc at least not when it comes to men). The book is a thoroughly exhaustive anaylsis of what it takes for a man to get a woman into bed, compiled by men who have certainly 'been there and done it' many, many times. They know what works and what doesn't. And for all the complex psychology of 'neg hits', 'NLP patterning' etc, basically the recipe for success is that you have to show the lady you are a dominant caveman. When it comes to seduction, nice guys finish last, something to be avoided when you apparently have an average of 30 seconds to demonstrate to a potential pick-up that you can swing the club harder than any rival Fred Flintstone in sight. It appears deep down, women still want the hairy chest after all.
Feminist critics of the pick-up culture, incapable of any self-criticism as they are, tend to miss this point. Instead of focusing on why such macho men want to have sex with every good looking woman they see (and why shouldn't they?), perhaps they should ask why nearly every good looking woman would rather have sex with men who heed well tested advice such as 'Always be in Control (rule no.1)' and 'Never be Mr Nice Guy (rule no.7)' than men who read Germaine Greer or buy flowers. Feminists (and women in general), constantly make misandryst generalisations about men being inherently aggressive, dominant etc, forgetting that whatever essential nature men might have, if we have it at all, it is because women have spent our evolutionary history choosing it as an attractive sexual trait. And judging from this book, there is little prospect of hope for our evolutionary future. In fact, as women become increasingly financially independent of men, they are correspondingly free to choose sexual partners on solely primitive criteria (whereas before at least a man with lots of money was likely to have reached his position as Alpha male through, to some extent, a high IQ and not simply agressiveness or having the biggest sexual organ).
'Love between the sexes is a war', declared the gloomy Swedish playwright Strindberg. If you want to sharpen your armoury in order to have sex with lots of beautiful woman, this book is essential reading. For those who wish to understand the degradation of contemporary feminism into little more than a sexual trade union for embittered middle-aged women, then also read this book and the controversy that has surrounded it. |
Thoughts on The Layguide by Tony Clinke
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| Reviewer: David Maxim, San Diego, CA USA |
Although I believe 100 percent that Mr. Clinke is himself an exceptional PUA, he lacks proportional talent in writing.
The book lacks structure and at times is very inconsistent. One minute it's "get her phone number" and then it's "never ask for the number, let her give it to you" and then it's "never give her yours" and so on. The book is full of little rules for behavior, that A. often contradict a previous rule, and B. are painfully vague and generalized. In the end, the book is just a messy pile scattered ideas that places no focus on the fundamental issues, leaving out all of subconscious things and subtleties that truly determine how women feel about you. Needless to say, it does not live up to its silly and excessive title, which promises the world but more than likely will just set the reader back even farther in the game. After reading it, he will most likely say to himself "wow, if i can't get laid after reading this book, then there's really no hope for me at all". Let's keep in mind, this book is the thoughts and experiences of one man (and not much of a literary man) whose personal successes are the culmination of his unique qualities... not that of the general population. Find your own way, reader, instead of reading this sloppy guide which will more than anything confuse, and possibly hurt your chances with the opposite sex. |
TAG
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| Reviewer: TAG, UK |
I bought this book and I wanted to say that its great. Lots of the review, mainly the female reviewers here are missing the point. I bought this book because i've just come out of a really hard time in my life and have never ever had any luck with women. I'm not ugly, but my confidence was really low. The techniques in this book have helped me a lot. I can actually look a girl in the eyes now and carry a convosation. I'm not out to be a player but I want a girl friend like every other guy out there. If you dont know how to approach, meet and talk to women you dont know, how is that ever going to happen? It wont and you're going to be lonely for the rest of your life. Knowing how to talk to women, get phone numbers and get a girl friend for someone who has no experience seems like the hardest thing in the world. This book can help over come a low selfesteem. The fact is 99% of the time its the man who has to approach a woman to meet her to eventually start a relationship with her. If you are inexperienced unless you are a guy in that situation you have no idea how hard it can be. This book helps. I love it.
Thank you Tony Clink |
Inspired by the Devil.
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| Reviewer: Bernard Chapin, CHICAGO! USA |
| I'm writing a book about women at present and The Lay Guide is one of the many editions I have piled up in a corner. I just got to it today and am quite impressed. I first heard of the author last year as I was reading Neil Strauss's The Game. This is not a typical dating book as there is very little fluff in these pages. Just about everything he addresses is valuable, and, I believe, accurate. He shows readers the route in which they too can go from being Average Frustrated Chumps to Pickup Artists. His methods are sound and proven and I honestly believe they work. If you ask me, guys like Clink know more about women than most psychologists because they interpret them as they are and do not allow political correctness to contaminate their analysis. That this clashes with the Woman as Superior Being role society has cast them into all the more illustrates his insightfulness. The only problem with the Pickup Artist and his choices is that the sacrifices one has to make are far too great to be considered. When you're 19, obtaining women is more important than everything else in life combined. Luckily, as we get older, our needs become more textured and we can properly see that women are just one element in the good life. Sex and romance are exquisite, but we should be grateful that there's so much more in the world apart from them. |
READS LIKE A LOVE LETTER TO "SPEED SEDUCTION" SHAM ROSS JEFFRIES...
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| Reviewer: Wayne Racine, |
... and although there's a few inspiring ideas to be found here, there's also some pretty crazy schemes that could get you into serious trouble (lying in wait along bike paths and jumping in the way of attractive females at the last moment in order to meet them??? that's the kind of thing that'll scare the bejeezus out of women, create a creepy first impression and possibly even get you arrested for public mischief - or worse).
His 3-second rule is also highly questionable: immediately approaching every attractive woman you see within 3 seconds of spotting her (another way of saying "playing the numbers").
The way I see it, fussy types with discriminating tastes like myself need to see more than just a pretty face before deciding who's worth pursuing and, secondly, in a nightclub scenario, this approach will only make you appear to be a desperately impulsive horndog working on a deadline - and no woman likes being hit on by an anxious horndog (and neither do their jealous boyfriends, a critical "X" factor you have to ascertain before recklessly zooming yourself into an awkward situation).
Instead, think like one of the big cats on the African plains hunting its prey - be patient, play it cool, scope the room, zero in on your chosen targets, assess their situation and figure out what your approach will be before making your move - after all, what's the big friggin' hurry?
Overall, it's quite apparent that the author holds overrated "neuro-linguistic programming" quack Ross "Speed Seduction" Jeffries in way too high esteem, as he makes reference to him ad nauseum and seems to revere him as some sort of Geek Love God (which is somewhat puzzling, because any true PUA would read Jeffries' unintentionally hilarious material and see him for the transparent B.S. artist that he really is - his theory being that running "patterns" - prefab "Pepe Le Pew meets Weird Science"-type speeches intended to seduce unwitting females - will practically lull women into a hypnotic state of sexual acquiescence and make them want to jump your bones regardless of how unattractive or socially awkward you might be... nice fantasy, but tell me, are there fools out there gullible enough to actually believe this???).
Read the book, be smart enough to recognize the sensible pieces of advice from the laughably misguided ones, and use your good judgment in implementing the useful stuff at the right time/place... and you should do OK.
PS: this book would deserve 3.5-4 stars if author Tony Clink would ease up on the Ross Jeffries garbage. |
Ok, the book delivers... that was a nice surprise.
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| Reviewer: Walter Stoneburner, Ashburn, VA USA |
The problem with this book is the title - it's crass and long. It conveys the concept of trashy material. I guess that's what sells.
Surprisingly, the book's contents seem to be a fascinating mix of psychology and practical pick-up-artist observations and advice. This is not a rah-rah you-can-do-it self-motivator feel good book.
Right from the start it makes the claim that men tend to notice a woman's looks first. And, that while women also notice men's looks, it's actually how a man makes her feel that matters most. And, given that the attractive woman has been approached again and again by guys that want just one thing, they've consequently heard every line in the book; their internal defense mechanism is on high alert. This book explains how to understand their mind set, engage the conversation in an interesting manner, and treat them like a human being.
It explains why don't like jerks, but fall for them. It explains why nice guys don't get anywhere. The book doesn't advocate being a jerk, but instead taking the positive traits from the jerks that get the initial contact and to combine it with the nice guy traits that keep her.
After reading you'll become far more attuned to self defeating behaviors as well have a number of practical solutions for standing out and getting noticed. |
Alpha Summation
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| Reviewer: James G. Dallas, |
One of 100's of "How To" guides - but in this volume the reader will find a composite and detailed summation of most of the basic information on the subject available.
Clink, although accomplished in his own right, gives credit where credit is due. In fact, if one has read Neil Strauss' THE GAME - a lot of the names will be familiar. I found this book practical and entertaining, and pretty detailed. There's many schools of thought out there on the art of the pickup, and Clink touches on most of them. The more I read on the subject, and the more I practice the gambits, the more it boils down to being a confident male. But a lot of the information contained herein will enable the reader to build that confidence with the knowledge he acquires - or better said, be able to fake it till you make it. |
Advice still holds up
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| Reviewer: The Beck, Tacoma, WA |
I used to have a copy of this kicking around from a few years ago and I never read it. Recently I've dived back into the pickup artist community and I've been buying and reading a bunch of books, including this one.
I thought maybe the info would be out of date, but it's still relevant and better still, it works.
I think this is one of the original seduction guides printed even before The Game and I think even the author of The Game read and used the tactics in the Layguide, so that's a good pedigree.
My main complaint is that its fairly disorganized. It's not a system like the Mystery Method, but more a collection of random tips. Luckily most of the tips have some value, so if you just crack it open and read a few pages, you'll pull something interesting out of it.
I think this author has a new book that maybe has a better structure to it called The Plan, but I haven't read it yet.
I've been referring back to this book and to another called Secrets of the A Game: How to Meet and Attract Women Anywhere, Anyplace, Anytime over the past few weeks. Both have a lot of great information and I highly recommend them for any guy wanting to learn pickup skills or who have game, but want to take it to the next level. |
This book is also a web site
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| Reviewer: Stan Parker, Milwaukee, WI USA |
| Don't waste your money. Although the information is good (great actually), this book is from a web site made up of a collection other people's public writings. If you Google words like "fast seduction", you'll find a freely accessible version of the same exact writings, plus more. There are plenty of other good books on this subject you can buy from Amazon, from people who didn't filch their words from others. But if you are interested in this book and what it offers, Google is your friend to find the version without a pricetag. Just Google "seduction" or "player guide" like another reviewer mentioned. |
Another Useful Self-Help Book
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| Reviewer: The JuRK, Our Vast, Cultural Desert |
Since I've started reading the books from the Pick Up Community, I've seen a pattern in the basic ways to approach women: it's basically putting out all the good qualities associated with being a man.
Be confident. Attentive, charming, humorous. Dress better, work on conversational skills. Maintain respect but also hold the course for seduction.
All of this sounds simple enough but...I think I belong to a generation of broken homes where the battling, bewildered single parents didn't pass on ANYTHING useful to their children. Let popular music and TV guide you into the Tunnel of Love.
And what a disaster that's been. (It also didn't help that social engineering tried to instill that boys and girls are essentially the same. How damaging has that been?).
So these books, while initially provoking women to be offended that men will be taking advantage of them, end up being the education us guys never got.
THE LAYGUIDE has a title that would suggest this book is about only seducing and taking advantage of women. I didn't really get that. (If you're looking for a book that not only writes in terms of women as only sexual objects but where to go and how much to spend on endless sex objects, that would be THE PROFESSIONAL BACHELOR. Especially the second half).
THE LAYGUIDE is a smooth, well-written How To book on approaching women and moving into a relationship, whether for one night or the rest of your life. |
Waste
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| Reviewer: FrogDog, LI, NY |
| Has no structure, no step by step, just a collection of loosely related chapters, better to get "Mystery Method" that is the real deal. |
Basic but available elsewhere
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| Reviewer: K. Downes, Hollywood, CA |
While 'The Layguide' does cover the aspects of a succesful pickup, it is a fairly rudimentary guide. All the information in this book is also available in any of the sedution community sites. Fast Seduction has practically this entire book.
If you're truly interested, read 'the game' and then check out the seduction forums. It will benefit your wallet more... |
Combine with Susan Rabin book = Priceless...
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| Reviewer: PlayerApprentice, ATL, GA |
| Let me start out by saying this is the BEST book on seduction ever!!! Sure it is available free on the net, but even those websites have a disclaimer that the content is a mirror of THIS BOOK authored by Tony Clink. Anyway, this book has changed my way of viewing women forever for the better. I have a deeper appreciation for them now that I understand more what's going on in their head and it gives you more confidence not feeling like you're going into approaching women blindly doing the same things wrong. And the best thing of all about this book IT DOES NOT RECOMMEND DATING! At least not until AFTER you've seen some action. Lastly, I recommend purchasing "How to Attract Anyone, Anytime, Anyplace: the smart guide to flirting" by Susan Rabin to go along with this book because it goes deeper into techniques The Layguide recommends but didn't have the time to explain fully. Techniques like you're approach, mirroring, echoing, even breakups! |
More than any website
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| Reviewer: , |
| I've read the websites, and I've read this book, and I have to tell you the book is better. It's easier to read (duh) plus it has stuff that I've never seen on ANY any web site. Not to mention that you have to reread and study this information if you want it to work--and that's way easier with a book than on a screen. |
Perfect for getting back into the game
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| Reviewer: Tom H. A., |
| Being recently divorced I've found it hard to get back into the dating game and really didn't have much luck for a really long time. I decided to purchase a few related books online to help me out, but I have to tell you, this was the only book I didn't actually regret buying. Some of them were professionally written and some were amateurish, but most of them were full of completely bollocks advice. But how do recognize bollocks advice from good advice if I need books to help me out? Well I actually went out and tried some advice from each of the books I purchased. Although some suggestions from those other "dating" books were ok, most of them were miserable failures in real life and only the pricinples I tried from "Layguide" brought about a really positive shift in the way women related to me. But what do I mean by "positive shift"? Well let's just say I'm no longer down on my luck (in fact I think I've been luckier lately than I've ever been before:). What can I say - looks like this stuff really works. |
Read The Art of Seduction instead
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| Reviewer: Shawn, |
This is amateur stuff. If you want to get really useful and ground-breaking stuff, read The Art of Seduction:
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I know that it's long and a bit academic in tone, but it is the last word on Seduction in the modern age. True seduction is not just a one-shot, get-laid-tonight approach (although it can certainly include that). Read The Art of Seduction, and you will be well on your way to having women desire you to a degree that is truly shocking. I am a true believer, and I owe the author Robert Greene a debt that cannot be repaid. It is mind-boggling how much women really want to be carried away by their desire. Arm yourself with an understanding based on Greene's book, and you'll be well on your way. |
PRACTICAL ADVICE
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| Reviewer: Ruth in Illinois, Chicago |
This is straight forward and practical advice for men who crave the validation gained by having sex with beautiful women.
I would add the books of Kevin Doyle, Robert Greene and John T. Molloy to a helpful list offered by a previous reviewer. |
Good info
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| Reviewer: John Milling, |
I must say I was pleasantly surprised by the book. The title claims a lot, but I must say I started noticing positive results almost immediately. What I learned is that it all really depends on your attitude (not your looks or money etc). It is very hard though for the average guy to pull the right kind of attitude out of thin air (or try to emulate the cool guys we see getting all the chicks on TV or in a club etc). Fortunately, there's lots of helpful advice on how to attract and seduce women in various situations and ultimately, how to develop the right kind of attitude so that you'll become a natural success with women all the time.
Some of the ideas in this book may seem radical at first, but once you start trying them out, they will all start making perfect sense. All in all, this is heaps and mounds better advice than in any other dating book I've happened to come across (and I've read quite a few). |
Review
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| Reviewer: Izzy Stradlin, |
A lot of people think that if they read a book, then they will know how to seduce any woman. The truth is, that it's not going to happen like that. These books on picking up women have some interesting concepts, and they do offer some good advice, but the reader needs to be aware that these books written by PUAs are simply a sales pitch to a $1250 seminar, that is a sales pitch to a $4500 seminar, and that leads to personal tutoring, and Thousands of more dollars. I have know two people who have gotten duped by this. And these two guys are getting laid less than when they first getting into this and just trying and failing.
I would highly recommend three books that will give you all the information you need to speak to a woman and carry yourself in a way that might attract her.
1) Art of Seduction by Robert Greene: A historical account of some of the great seducers, and what made them effective.
2) Irresistible Attraction: by Kevin Hogan and Mary Lee Labay: This book scientifically evaluates what Charisma is and how to develop it.
3) God is a woman: by Ian Coburn: (My Favorite) This book is very well written by a man who evaluates the train-wrecks he had dating, then dissects what went wrong and how he improved on the next woman. He actually walks the reader through every step and teaches as he entertains.
*** And by the way: None of the above three books is a sales pitch for a useless seminar. |
The Best Seduction Book.. Period.
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| Reviewer: Marcus Perez, Japan/California |
Let me start by saying I have read THE GAME, The Mack Within, Ross Jeffries, as well as Mystery Method. This book is the holy grail of seduction material. It breaks everything down to a process in which every man can understand. I have let friends borrow the book and have gone out themselves and purchased a copy for reference.
A must have for anyone serious about game. All tactics can be applied anywhere and I highly reccomend as a first read.
BUY THIS BOOK!!!! -224 |
An excellent guide to dating and seducing women
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| Reviewer: Conan X, |
Ok so some reviewers keep saying that the same stuff is available on the web, I don't think they've actually even read the book and are just shooting this off the top of their heads.
Let me tell you, the book is excellent! I tried the searches they suggested (google etc), well I came up with nothing as coherent and easy-to-understand as this book (just a bunch of paysites and a few unorganized newsgroup archives), and definetly NOT the book itself. I will certainly take a look into the info available on the web in the future (it always pays to keep learning), until then though, I am very pleased with this book, since I'm already seeing the advantage it has started to give me in my dealings with women. For the money, this book is way more than worth its price. |
"The Rules" for men
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| Reviewer: , |
| I used to think I needed to be rich, famous or incredibly good-looking to be with beautiful women. The website this book is based on showed me that this was just plain wrong. I admit - I'm more or less what you'd call poor, stupid and ugly, but there's one area I'm the envy of ALL my friends - and that's my success with women. And I owe it all to LayGuide, which now, thankfully, is also available on paper, so I can actually give this book to my friends and improve their success as well. The thing I like most about it, is that is does not try to force one "magic" system down your throat but presents you with a wide selection of some of the most successful seduction systems currently out there, so just choose the one you feel most natural with and then go with the flow. Highly recommended! |
A Very Good Layguide Indeed
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| Reviewer: Chung Dynasty, |
I just finished reading this book after reading The Game by Neil Strauss. Whereas the Game reads like a personal memoir, this is more of an instructional guide so the two complement each other very nicely.
I get the point. The Layguide is a very finely tuned technique of mind-control, neuro-linguistic programming, and behavioral science to seduce women. I agree with another reviewer's observation that PUAs including Clink are better at reading women's psychology than most psychologist. Modern women are far more educated and financially independent compared to women in the past, but their psychology remains pretty much the same.
The tone of this book may offend some male readers and many female readers, but I think Clink has the right mindset about this. The point is for males to be in control ALL THE TIME. To most women, you are just one of so many people that passes by in their life and not that important. Men have to treat them the same way. To us, they are just one of so many people that passes by in our lives. There is absolutely no reason for us to spend so much time, money, and energy and cling on to someone that doesn't give a damn about us. So take care of yourselves and your needs before they show some kind of respect. Unless women (especially beautiful ones and in general) are far more empowered and are willing to take equal responsibilities for themselves, they are likely to remain selfish and picky for what they perceive as alpha males. That may be a while from now as many researchers suggest that it may take as long as a century.
Many of the reviewers dismiss the advice and techniques as basic, but I have to disagree. They are definitely not super-advanced, but at least intermediate. There are some good stuff in every chapter so don't forget to try them out. But be selective in what you apply because some techniques don't work for majority of women.
Overall, I enjoyed it very much. |
Take it for what it's worth- that spark that gets you out there and trying
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| Reviewer: Robert W. Johnston, Chicago, IL |
| I would say the #1 thing to take out of this book is that you are only going to get women if you try so you have to talk to them! You can't just sit by and wait for something to happen. This book goes into great detail on the subject of picking up women and in my opinion it jumps around a lot. On the other hand there is a plethora of valid real world things you can use that will help you. I've seen some people's reviews that criticize Clink's advice to go up and talk to every woman you find attractive. I don't see why... how else are you going to desensitize yourself to talking to beautiful women? So in other words saying something is ALWAYS better than nothing. Take that if nothing else. The more you try the more you succeed and rejection is far from the end of the world. |
refreshing
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| Reviewer: average guy, Fl |
| Made me think in a different way.Really not sure about all the advice but right now even though I've had my share of relationships I'd probably be closer to the A.F.C category than a P.U.A. Don't want to run a game or fool someone in to liking me but face it some traits women like and some they don't.If you're someone who thinks "why is she with that Jerk"this book may help you figure out a few things.Felt like it provided real insight into the female personality things that most of them are not aware of unless they're really in touch with themselves |
Changed My Life
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| Reviewer: Happy in Florida, |
| Some people are complaining and questioning the author. Is it offensive to want to meet women? No. Do I care where the information originally came from? No. This book is awesome. It changed my life and I totally love it. |
Useful and convenient
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| Reviewer: Mark Spencer, NY |
I've been a reader of the website this book is based upon for quite some years now. I also got the book when it came out and I must say I'm glad I did, since the website wasn't always conveniently available when I needed to freshen up on the ideas and strategies presented in LayGuide, but I could take the book along when I travelled. Plus like most people, I prefer reading from paper as opposed to reading from the computer screen.
Too bad the book is missing a lot of good info still present on the website, but I guess you can't have it all. Making the whole website into a book would probably have made the book too big and nobody wants to lug around an encyclopedia (well at least I don't). I've just printed out some of the stuff from the website that I think complements the book and I'm happy with that.
The previous one-star reviewer obviously hasn't READ the book though. I do agree that the marketing for similar self-help books may often be misleading but having read this particular book I can confirm that this one actually delivers. No wait, actually, forget that, don't buy the book, the less people know the stuff in the book, the less competition for tose of us that do and the more successful we'll be with beautiful women:) |
Very Helpful if Taken the Right Way
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| Reviewer: Box, MA |
Clink's "The Layguide" is a really helpful, concise, and easily understandable set of ways to get and keep women interested IF you take it the right way.
A lot of people who buy this book, and books like these, take each and every word exactly as stated. That isn't the way to take this advice. It's better to read through the book, pick and choose what makes the most sense for YOU, and try to utilize it in real life. If you find that it doesn't work for you, then you can return to this book and try something else. So many guys just try everything verbatim and wonder why they crashed and burned. This book after all is called a lay "guide," not a lay "bible," and should be used as a set of suggestions meant to improve one's chances with women.
The two main reasons I like this book are: it's very detailed and it isn't haughty or self-righteous. A lot of other PUA books will say what to do, but not in what context to do it. For example, a lot of books will say what a neg is and give a couple of examples but won't tell you when or how to do it properly. "Layguide" covers all ground. Also, a lot of PUA books are written by guys who let their success with women go to their head, and claim they have the end-all-be-all solution to improving chances with women. Ultimately, the message of "The Layguide" is to be more confident, and do what is right for you, and that is what true self help books do: make you feel better about YOURSELF. |
Very good "all source" information
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| Reviewer: M. Gostomski, Okinawa, Japan |
| I've been studying up on the PUA genre ever since coming across "The Game" by Neil Strauss and this is by far the best book I've come across to date. Tony Clink actually combines a couple of different methods into one nearly foolproof technique. The Patterns from Ross Jeffries that he shares are worth the price of the book on their own but he also throws some Mystery Method tidbits into the mix to truly help you take your game to the next level. I was truly amazed at the effect that the Discovery Channel language pattern had on a woman at the bar this weekend. Great book all in all and I highly recommend it. |
Not very good
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| Reviewer: T. McConnell, California |
| I could see how somebody with absolutely no confidence, game, or experience for women could find this book helpful. It does teach the basics, but there are other books out there that do it a lot better. I'm a good looking guy, and I'm pretty decent at picking up women. I have read books like this in the past, because I feel it is important to always try to better yourself in all areas of life. I also think it is important to recognize seduction techniques and utitilize them to your advantage for not only picking up women but in your career and other aspects of life. The Lay Guide is for people that have absolutely no clue or experience. I just don't like the way the book is written and some of the lines he tells his readers to use on women are so cheesey and corney that I would never consider using them. The best lines are the ones that come off the top of your head and are witty. As you build confidence, you will become more witty. Its a step by step process. The book does have some good points but there are other books that are written so much better! If you need help in this category look up The Game and Rules of the game by Neil Strauss. Also, the art of seduction by Robert Greene gives much better advice and examples. |
Middle-aged and divorced. This book did help.
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| Reviewer: Alfonzo Krueger, Brooklyn |
When I first came across this book, I wasn't going to buy it because, to me, it seemed to be written for men in their 20's who were still trying to get a feel for what their own personal approach was when it came to seducing women. But something told me to buy this book, and I am glad I did.
While I don't whole-heartedly agree with the approach of coming across arrogant and, at times crass, I do feel this book does a good job in reminding the reader what the definition of masculinity is and how to not let rejection or a mean-spirited or spiteful woman make you a weaker man. There really is an art to not being a door mat yet being a gentleman at the same time.
Yes, even middle-aged men who are recently divorced still want to "get laid" and need some tips on how to make an impression with a beautiful woman while competing with all those savvy young men out there. This book was a good read and I respect the author for writing it.
As a side note, I think a book like Player's Handbook Volume 1 - Pickup and Seduction Secrets For Men Who Love Women & Sex (and Want More of Both) is a better fit for men over the age of 35. |
A classic book for the seduction community
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| Reviewer: Michael Sykes, NYC |
For years I hestiated to learn about the art of seduction for fear of coming across fake to women. Guess what happened? I spent years having disappointing dates and failed relationships. A friend recommended this book and I am glad he did.
When you are trying to make a connection (any sort of connection) with a woman, you just can't "go with the flow" and try to anticipate her needs and fulfill them. This book teaches you how to set the tone for the date/relationship and how to ensure you don't get walked all over or end up being confused by mixed singles.
Yes, some of the suggestions may seem aggressive, but I can tell you...THEY WOEK. After following the guidance in this book, I found women to be surprised at first, but then very turned on by the fact that I was taking control of the situation and not playing games nor putting up with games.
If you read one book on seduction, read this one. |
Interesting read
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| Reviewer: Sergio E. Sanchez, Stuttgart, Germany |
| Read this book and have used many of its approaches and confidence building techniques in normal business days. This book is NOT just written to hook up but to help in other social situations. |
Trust me
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| Reviewer: D. Lee, Florida, USA |
| I about way too many of books in this area, but this is a staple that one needs. Most of the books give some generic crap advice which boils down to, "just try, a pretty girl might actually accept your advances". This is more like a manual, a few other books that were worth the paper they were printed on, were the "machivellian guide to womanizing", "How to Attract Anyone, Anytime, Anyplace: The Smart Guide to Flirting". doc loves "the system" and"double your dating". I own all the rest, and I can say doc loves book is only for after you get a girl. the rest focus on how to get her. Those are the only solid books I can honestly reccomend to get tight game. Robert greene's art of seduction is supposed to be good, but that is the only one that I have yet to read, that I even heard was worth while. Buy a book, read it... try the stuff out at least 10 times... then you will know if the book sucks. I could list way more that were not worth reading then books that were solid. |
Great book, every man should read this!
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| Reviewer: 65Valiant, California |
Great book, every man should read this!
Follow up book should go into more detail as some statements are contradictory but overall worth every penny
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Not entirely original...
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| Reviewer: Ladies Man, New Mexico, USA |
| Actually everything in the book IS helpful, and a OK read... but most of the material is FREE on the net already. The stuff from "The Layguide" was mirrored on all kinds of websites all over the place before it ever became print. If you search for keywords like "layguide" and "player guide" on the net, you will find this stuff is basically plagaurized. It was just a compilation of a bunch of usenet posts. Now, if you really want something in print, and original too, do yourself a favor now and go buy "The Art of Seduction" by Robert Greene, also available here on Amazon.com. The guy researched great seducers and seductions throughout history, and came up with types of seducers, the stages of seduction, etc. And his work is entirely original as well. |
awesome!!
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| Reviewer: mikey_007, chicago |
| I'm 16 and not very athletic, so you can imagine the odds in high school are against guys like me when it comes to getting the babes. I can't describe the frustration I felt when I saw all the "men" (local football team) getting all the babes (cheerleaders and their girlfriends). I felt like I was never ever be able to do that. not only that, even the ugly girls seemed to diss me. but suddenly this has all changed. no, I haven't grown muscles and joined to football team and I likely won't be anytime soon (probably never:). but having read the book many times over, I feel myself acting cool and confident with the babes like NEVER before in my life! instead of being afraid, I am having fun and I can guess their every thought, I know what games they're playing. but you know what? once they see I read them like an open book, the games stop almost immediately and for the first time in my life the hot babes COME TO ME to have a chat!! I've already made out with two babes that wouldn't have looked at me twice less than six months ago and two more seem seriously interested, so I can't wait to see what happens! I guess a book really can change your life. |
The Best for Beginners
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| Reviewer: Steve Rogers, Chicago |
| Guys i was introduced to the seduction community by "The Game" just like a lot of us were, and I have to say that hands down this is the most comprehensive, no B.S., step by step guide i've come across thus far. If your a foolish guy who believes that the way to a woman's heart is through candle lit dinners and pouring out your emotions then this book is definitely not for you, but if you want to weed through all the garbage that comes along with dating women and figure out how they think(whether they realize and admit to themselves it's how they think or not) then this is the book your looking for. |
We liked this book a lot
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| Reviewer: Game Dr Publications, |
| This book is a solid book on how to work the bars. We are currently field-testing the results and will let you know exactly what we find when we have covered everything in it. But even so, after reading it we liked it a lot. More soon. |
Great book
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| Reviewer: Marina, |
This book pretty much sums up all a man needs to know about picking up women. My only problem was the approach; Clink helped me practically step-by-step on how to get better at the initial approach. He also helps with keeping a conversation and when to stop it. Its just a fantastic book.
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Doesn't Have Too Much To Offer (Rating: 5 out of 10- -2.5 stars)
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| Reviewer: Chandler, Atlanta (College Park), Georgia |
So I read this book on how to help pick up women, because the title looks so promising. I read it and basically it doesn't have too much to offer. It doesn't give straight foward help, it kinda beats around the bush. I have learned some new things in this book, such as how to start conversations with women and ask openended questions with them (expect the phrase "Whats your story" about 1000 times). But basically, the information in this book is vague. It does not give instant results like we guys all planned to, but it gives you a starting point and hangs you out to dry on your road to being a PUA instead of a chump.
Being a 20 year old college student and living in a city full of females who are stuck up, I figured this book would help out. Unfortunately, it did not do me too much justice. If you guys found success in this book with the opposite sex, give yourself a pat on the back. Funny that female reviewers (like the one below me), might get a joke out of this book because they go around making others feel like crap. I for one really don't recommend this book because of it's vague subject matter. If you want to read a good book, I recommend How to Succeed with Women, because that book gives more info into detail. Peace. |
Pretty Good Intro to Seduction
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| Reviewer: R. Johnson, USA |
This is a pretty good, competent, introductory book to the world of seduction and being a pick up artist. There's lots more books out there you should read, but at least this one comes in a nice printed form. Almost all the other pua books come in ebook form.
Most men are extremely ignorant about getting women and sex. There is so much crucial info they don't know. It's like going into a war with no training and no weapons. That's why most men do so badly. Knowledge isn't enough though. You'll have to go through a training period of months or years where you approach hundreds of girls and develop the skills of dealing with them.
Once you are fully trained, then the world is your own sex market, where you can go out anywhere and pick up attractive girls to have sex with any day of the week.
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Where has this book been all my life!?
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| Reviewer: DragonLord, |
I always knew I was doing something wrong, I just didn't know what it was. I mean of course I was trying to do things RIGHT, be romantic and nice and sensitive etc - the kind of nice guy who would treat women right and who women would fall madly in love with in all those romantic comedies (or so I thought). But for some reason it just never worked in real life - women flaked out, ran away, wanted to "be just friends" (aargh! I bet you know the pain of that one).
Well this book has opened my eyes. And reading this book has been both a painful and a pleasurable experience. Painful because now I realize what it is that I've been doing wrong all the time and all those mistakes that could have been avoided and all the girls I could have gotten had I known the stuff in this book before. Yet pleasurable because now I'm finally starting to realize what's going on with women, what it is that they're REALLY thinking (not what they're just saying they're thinking), what they really want in a man, what turns them on and what turns them off, and how to be the man women really want.
All I can say is how come we guys didn't have this book 10 or more years ago? But I guess better late than never:) |
The Law
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| Reviewer: , |
This is THE seduction book, gentlemen. It improved my game 100%, and I was doing pretty well to start with. Now I have total confidence. Example:
Her: I'm a model.
You: You mean like a hand model? Just kidding, you're kind of cute in a funny way. I should call you some time, but there's something you have to give me first.
Her: My number?
You: Hey, great idea.And 350 more pages of LAW, yours for the taking. |
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